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An important term. And a word I didn't know.
The term: pre-Islamic. The word: Jahiliyyah.
Pre-Islamic - before Year One in Islam.
Jahiliyyah - the Islamic term for all
before the advent of Islam.


I just came across a brilliant post on Facebook:

The Meccan verses of the Quran are not part of Islam because the Islamic calendar - Year One - begins with the migration of Muhammad from Mecca to Medina. The Meccan verses are therefore pre-Islamic and therefore Jahiliyyah.

It is often mentioned that the rules in the more peaceful Meccan verses are abrogated by the Medina verses. But to my knowledge, it has not been stated that they are PRE-ISLAMIC, as the Islamic calendar indicates that true Islam BEGINS with the migration.

As the peaceful verses are not part of Islam, it can be stated without hesitation that Islam is not peaceful.

Being pre-Islamic, they are Jahiliyyah.

Recognizing that only pro-violence verses in the Quran are Islamic should lead to the demotion of the religion status of Islam, something that many people have advocated.


The posting is from Ramachandra B Abhyankar, a longtime student of Islam.


My response, as I've already said: brilliant!

I tremendously appreciate the term, Pre-Islamic, for the time before Year One in the Islamic calendar.

I also looked up Jahiliyyah, as I wasn't familiar with the word - there are so many words to learn when one explores Islam. According to Wikipedia:

Jahiliyyah is an Islamic concept referring to the period of time and state of affairs in Arabia before the advent of Islam in 610 CE. It is often translated as the "Age of Ignorance". The term jahiliyyah is derived from the verbal root jahala "to be ignorant or stupid, to act stupidly".

I note that, in this definition, it's claimed that Islam begins 610 CE. But the move to Medina is 622 CE. In other words, the Wikipedia piece claims that Islam started in the year -12 according to Islamic dating. That's a common assumption.

Ramachandra Abhyankar's dating makes much more sense. Year One: clearly the beginning of Islam, according to the Islamic calendar. Year One: the time of the move to Medina, the time of the shift to power through violence.

In other words, yes, any rules from the Meccan verses in the Quran qualify as Jahiliyyah - pre-Islamic. Yes, they have been abrogated. But even more, by dating Islam from the time of the move to Medina, the Islamic calendar presents them as pre-Islam.

So, if anyone brings up some of the abrogated verses from the Meccan part of the Quran, we can point out that the verse is abrogated. Or here's a great new answer: Oh, that verse is PRE-ISLAMIC - FROM BEFORE ISLAM STARTED, according to the Islamic calendar.


Elsa
July 26, 2019

A couple of further comments:

One. Bill Warner makes a more complex point. Though the rules in the Meccan verses are abrogated by later verses from Medina, which are better according to Islam, they can still be applied because of Islam's dualism. But of course the Medinan verses can be applied at any time, as better than the earlier ones.

Two. While the rules in the Meccan verses are pre-Islamic, pre Year One, these verses would still have validity for Islamics, as the Islamic presentation of pre-Islamic history.

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Pre-Islamic. Before Year One in Islam.
Year One: the move to Medina.
So the peaceful verses from Mecca are pre-Islamic,
meaning Jahiliyyah, the age of ignorance.

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Elsa is an incredible person, writing the truth for us all on so many subjects - political correctness, the climate, the UN, the EU (or rather, the European Dictatorship) and also on the subject which is one of the most important at the moment - the spread of Islamisation throughout the world.
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Sonya Jay Porter, who for 25 years has been working with UKIP, the UK Independence Party, to get her country out of the European Union

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Elsa is a missionary for truth. I have had the pleasure of knowing Elsa for many years now and have admired her steadfast campaign to expose the truth on a range of topics, but for the most part Islam. She has interviewed literally dozens of experts who have studied and had firsthand experience with Islam. All of these, and much more, can be heard on her WorldTruthSummit.com website. Elsa believes, and I agree, that only when there is open discussion and public debate about the tenets of Islam (i.e. free speech) will the world be free from the Islamic Jihad. In other words, “The truth shall set you free.” Elsa is the ”Truth Sleuth.”

Gordon Miller, long time environmental conservationist, believer in climate science history, challenger of climate models, dissenter on Canada's 1982 Constitution, believer in the dignity of the individual (i.e. the essence of Judeo-Christian values) and advocate of minimal government at the federal level.

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Elsa is a spiritual healer and a brilliant writer. She is also for me a pillar of strength and a voice of reason.
          And her music videos are a reminder that there is a beauty in this world too! My favorite clip is There is No More Islam.

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I came to know about Dr. Elsa Schieder ("Elsa") through her interviews with Islam experts Robert Spencer, Bill Warner, Citizen Warrior,  and others. Many people were introduced  to Elsa through her highly informative video for children, about Islam. Through her work, Elsa has helped clear the confusion surrounding Islam, making it possible for people to learn the truth about Islam.
         Islam is just one area; Elsa has sought the truth in many areas, and has a unique talent to clarify issues and motivate people.
          I am especially indebted to Elsa for making me aware of the Islamic Doctrine of  Al-Wala Wal-Bara, which I now know to be the key for understanding Islam. Even after studying several books on Islam, I was not aware of the Islamic doctrine of Al-Wala Wal-Bara. This key doctrine is at the heart of Islam, and makes the other Islamic doctrines of Islam, like Jihad and Sharia, easily comprehensible.
          Elsa has also taught me to not give up even when confronted by obstacles, such as the now ubiquitous censorship by the media.
          Elsa is an inspiration and  an example for all seekers of truth!

Ramachandra B. Abhyankar lives in Terre Haute, Indiana, USA. He is Associate Professor in the Department of Mathematics and Computer Science at Indiana State University, in Terre Haute, Indiana USA.

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Mary Andrew


When I came upon Elsa's work (like her great kid's video), I had educated myself on what Islam is, had been galvanised to protest by the horrific slaughter of children in the Manchester bombing, and was also trying to get the truth out on a lot of Facebook sites. But I felt isolated, downcast and daunted by the mountainous size of the problem. I have always been utterly anti-racist, but my friends thought I had become a bigot. I didn't know what to do. 
         Elsa's amazing, inspirational work has become a beacon of light to me, and her friendship has furnished me with the encouragement and support (and occasional rap over the knuckles!) which I desperately needed to become tougher, more confident, and much more active. Moreover, she has introduced me to new friends in the movement (against Sharia, and in support of British sovereignty - connected issues), from whom I am constantly learning, and with whom I can work, and protest, much more effectively. I no longer feel alone; united we stand!  Thank you, Elsa, so much for all you have done to embolden me, and nurture my development. I am truly grateful! 

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I admire Elsa’s life-long commitment to activism through ever vigilant truth sleuthing, and I'm thrilled that her next series of interviews will tell untold stories of activists who've been ignored by mainstream media. I'm hopeful that Elsa’s provocative interviews will stretch personal comfort zones, reach wide audiences, and break through brick walls.
          Elsa’s idea of interviewing people who do sustained truth-telling is perfectly aligned with who she is, and these interviews will be AWESOME!

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I really want to thank you, Elsa, for your deep dedication and endless hard work in trying to right the wrongs. I don’t follow all of your activities, but am very aware of the bigger picture in what you do and know that your heart works to make the world a better place. You deserve every accolade that may never come your way - just know that so many of us think this.

Elaine Black has always believed in ‘principles’: Truth is based on principle and on facts. The great English painter Francis Bacon whose work is often considered controversial for it’s painful distorted imagery, once said "people tend to be offended by facts, or what used to be called truth." These are the tenets of my belief, and to that end, I have run a ’newswire’ service for over a decade to allow others to formulate their knowledge based on exposure to truth and facts rather than lies and distortions.

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